that. the fact is, what did we do in the united states? go back four or five decades. we had this problem pretty much under control. look at obesity, it's the result of the last four, five decades. what did we do? we took fat, sugar and salt, loaded it in our food. we put it on every corner, made it available 24/p. it's acceptable to eat anytime. we live in a food carnival. >> give me an example of food. at a restaurant, spaghetti and meat balls or something more processed? >> pick buffalo wings. the fatty part of the chicken, the wing, fry it in the manufacturing plant, usually. that puts 30% of fat in the wing, the water out of the wing. fried again in the restaurant.